ecclesiastes 8:15 commentary

This is added as another evidence of man's misery. God doesn't really know." It doesn't matter to God that I cheat. (9 sessions) This study is part of the LifeLight Bible study series of in-depth studies of Bible books. I commend joy, he says (Ecclesiastes 8:15 Ecclesiastes 8:15Then I commended mirth, because a man has no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labor the days of his life, which God gives him under the sun.American King James Version), and the word he uses for commend is a Hebrew word for praise (shabach). Or it could be that all the men of Israel took an oath as part of the nations military. Drawing upon a variety of resourcesincluding commentaries, sermons, treatises, and confessionsmuch of which appears here for the first time in English, this volume provides resources for contemporary preachers, enables scholars to better understand the depth and breadth of Reformation commentary, and seeks to help readers find comfort in . equally puzzling that the RIGHTEOUS sometimes receive the treatmen CRITICAL NOTES. And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day. DEATH OF THE WICKED. No man has any power over the spirit. The Targum interprets it of the joy of the law; . and who knows the interpretation of a thing? HIM IN HIS TOILS THROUGHOUT THE DAYS OF HIS LIFE WHICH GOD HA 14-17 Faith alone can establish the heart in this mixed scene, where As Peter is talking about the second coming of the Lord, he said, "Hey, in the last days there are going to be scoffers that are going to come saying, 'Where is the promise of Jesus coming again? The future is so uncertain. But that does not seem to be the main point of these verses in Ecclesiastes 8. Love the brotherhood. What happens to one happens to the other. But it shall not be well with the wicked ( Ecclesiastes 8:13 ), In the end God's judgment will come. In this division, dealing with the evidences of the vanity of life, No fault is to be found with God; but, as to the world, This is vanity upon the earth, and again, This is also vanity, that is, it is a certain evidence that the things of this world are not the best things nor were ever designed to make a portion and happiness for us, for, if they had, God would not have allotted so much of this world's wealth to his worst enemies and so much of its troubles to his best friends; there must therefore be another life after this the joys and griefs of which must be real and substantial, and able to make men truly happy or truly miserable, for this world does neither. So we should not expect that corrupt people coming together to form a government would result in righteous rule. Hebrew word is applied not only to the pleasures arising from the And, as the end of verse 1 tells us, this wisdom can dispel the gloom and brighten mans otherwise hard looks (Walter Kaiser, Ecclesiastes: Total Life, p. 89). under the sun the best thing to do is just to eat and drink and be merry ( Ecclesiastes 8:15 ): Because man, that's all she wrote. Wise and good men have, of old, been perplexed with this difficulty, how the prosperity of the wicked and the troubles of the righteous can be reconciled with the holiness and goodness of the God that governs the world. Qoheleth was the great believer! One aspect of God's nature is His tremendous patience with rebelling man. When I applied mine heart to know wisdom, and to see the business that is done upon the earth: (for also there is that neither day nor night seeth sleep with his eyes:) Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labor to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea farther; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it ( Ecclesiastes 8:16-17 ). This is because the instruction referred to obeying the king in general, whoever he wasor to obeying whatever human authority was in power. Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. [2.] potentates, who do commonly advance unworthy men, and oppress persons Ecclesiastes 7:19-8. Honor all men. We must keep in due subjection to the government God has set over us (v. 2-5). All this have I seen, and applied my heart unto every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man rules over another to his own hurt. Then I commended mirth, because a man has no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labor the days of his life, which God gives him under the sun. One day, God will set things right. the WICKED appear to escape judgment and receive blessings. He had power over His Spirit to dismiss it. with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth _There is a vanity which is done upon the earth_ Either by wicked Yes, we have a lot of hard work to do. The wicked go unpunished and, even when they are dead and buried, people still praise them for their achievements in life (9-10). SUN EXCEPT TO EAT AND TO DRINK AND TO BE MERRY, AND THIS WILL STAND BY Honor the king. [5] But I will forewarn you whom you shall fear: Fear him, which after he has killed has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, Fear him. [17] Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end. Therefore men fear him ([Job] 37:22-24) (note on Ecclesiastes 8:12 Ecclesiastes 8:12Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him:American King James Version). Solomon next mentions seeing the wicked buried (verse 10). [3] Be not hasty to go out of his sight: stand not in an evil thing; for he does whatever pleases him. Things just continue as they were from the beginning.'" seventh chapter, to which they evidently belong. 1. The mention of an oath to God may bring to mind the need to follow through on vows to God in Ecclesiastes 5. THE ONE END OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. He had earlier said unto them, "No man takes My life from Me, I give My life" ( John 10:18 ). There is no man that has power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither has he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it. Sermon Bible Commentary Ecclesiastes 8:1-15. And they begin to make fun of the return of Jesus Christ. sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry._ Let us be ever thankful for the days of our lives. Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged ( Ecclesiastes 8:12 ), Remember he was talking about how he saw that the ungodly man was living a long life, the righteous were dying young and the ungodly were living long. God will judge. MIRTH - Better, Gladness, or joy (as in Ecclesiastes 2:10). And it's probably true. We must get ready for sudden evils, and especially for sudden death ( v. 6-8 ). [10] For they truly for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. CONTENTS: Wisdom recommended as an antidote against the temptations And who knoweth the interpretation of a thing? Add To Cart. II. 39.). California - Do Not Sell My Personal Information. His estimate of the pleasures of the senses is recorded in Ecclesiastes 7:2-6. Who is as the wise man? The highest wisdom is God does care. ( Ecclesiastes 8:5-7 ). let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. being much better than to fret at the prosperity of the wicked, and is not the language of an epicure, or a carnal man, who Koheleth seems to have had a suspicion all the time that his view of Ecclesiastes 8:15 KJ21 Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun than to eat and to drink and to be merry, for that shall abide with him from his labor the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun. The sentiment CHAPTER 8 Fear God. Vengeance comes slowly, but it comes surely. They've been talking about that for years. Item #: 203674. . reason to be thankful for what they had, and to lift up their Then I commended mirth These are some more of the cavils of the infidel objector: "Since virtue is frequently under oppression, and vice triumphs in health, and rolls in wealth, I see plainly that we should not trouble ourselves about future things; and therefore should be governed by the maxim EDE, BIBE, LUDE. Because I'm still blessed and I'm prosperous. Who is as the wise man? If, for example, people work in the kings palace, they will do what the king says, partly because they have sworn before God to be obedient and partly because they will be punished if they disobey. [20] For there is not a just man on earth, that does good, and sins not. He said, "Okay, you can go now." The words There is are in italics in the NKJV, showing theyve been added to the original wordingunnecessarily in this case. In view of these contradictions, Solomon again recommended the enjoyment of life, not in a pleasure-mad way but in the sense of enjoying the fruits of ones labor (cf. for that shall abide with him of his labor the days of his life, which God gives him under the sun ( Ecclesiastes 8:15 ). Romans 13 speaks of rulers executing wrath on evildoers. He would not have us undertake to give a reason for that which God does, for his way is in the sea and his path in the great waters, past finding out, and therefore we must be contentedly and piously ignorant of the meaning of God's proceedings in the government of the world, Ecclesiastes 8:16; Ecclesiastes 8:17. But this is not where things end. [22] For oftentimes also your own heart knows that you yourself likewise have cursed others. We should respect and follow that rule, with the benefits of doing so and the avoidance of an approach that will bring more troubles on us than would otherwise ensue. There is a serenity that comes with things starting to make senseand with trusting that God knows whatHes doing when things still dont. The statement There is no release from that [or the] war could refer figuratively to the march into death that all face or simply be metaphoric for Theres no getting out of this. Then the final line, and wickedness will not deliver those who are given to it, would tie back to the turn to wrongdoing in verse 3. What does Ecclesiastes 8:15 mean? We see the just troubled and perplexed in their own minds, the wicked easy, fearless, and secure,--the just crossed and afflicted by the divine Providence, the wicked prosperous, successful, and smiled upon,--the just, censured, reproached, and run down, by the higher powers, the wicked applauded and preferred. A good man's days have some substance; he lives to a good purpose: a wicked man's days are all as a shadow, empty and worthless. [17] Be not over much wicked, neither be you foolish: why should you die before your time? He maintains his patience, moreover, in spite of the moral burdens he carries that might otherwise cause him to act impetuously (v. 6b; for the trouble of humanity is heavy upon him [and he wants to do something about it]) (Garrett, note on verses 2-6). [27] Behold, this have I found, said the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account: No power in death. the preacher sets forth certain deductions. Innocent mirth, a cheerfulness of spirit in whatsoever state Some put Ecclesiastes 8:1 Ecclesiastes 8:1Who is as the wise man? Verse 11 explains why evil grows worse and worsebecause justice is not swift. In Encountering Ecclesiastes, James Limburg relates what fellow biblical scholar and commentator Roland Murphy said to him in response to the issue of the author of Ecclesiastes being often referred to as a great doubter: The great doubter? of In the midst of a miscarriage, a failed friendship, or job loss, the preacher would remind us that 'there is a time for. Now in chapter 8, Solomon tells us to exercise wisdom and righteousness to help reduce and manage problems in many cases, maintain proper perspective and find joy in life and ultimate reward from God. Please enter your email address associated with your Salem All-Pass account, then click Continue. 3. observing that no difference is made between the righteous and Yes, we see injustice that is hard to accept or understand. Death is ultimately in the power of God but is also in the kings hands (NAC, note on verses 7-8). and the seemingly unequal distribution of things in this world, A righteous man has prospered; an unrighteous man has prospered. ECCLESIASTES 8:1 THE FOLLOWING COMMENTARY COVERS CHAPTER S 1 THROUGH 12. Salem Media Group. His survey now digresses to consider a wise man's responsibility when neither shall he prolong his days, which are as a shadow; because he fears not before God. . Ecclesiastes 8:8. [1.] For the time being we are subject to human rule. There is a vanity which is done upon the earth Either by wicked potentates, who do commonly advance unworthy men, and oppress persons of the greatest virtue and merit: or, by God's providence, who sees it fit for many weighty reasons so to manage the affairs of the present world. [23] All this have I proved by wisdom: I said, I will be wise; but it was far from me. element of thought mingles with the higher fear of God, to which th FOR THAT SHALL ABIDE WITH HIM OF HIS LABOUR _And this shall borrow can do is to enjoy life while he has it. Thinks he has put one over on God. eat, and to Wisdom can enable a person to avoid the kings wrath (Ecclesiastes 8:2-9), but it cannot enable him or her to understand fully why God deals with people as He does (Ecclesiastes 8:10-17). righteous men to whom it happens ac Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the The Preacher is growing more and more confident about this joy. By any of these interpretations, many see here a statement about not being able to withstand the inevitability of death generally. 1. A man's wisdom maketh his face to shine, and the boldness of his face shall be changed. If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantages it me, if the dead rise not? with him of his labour the days of his life, which God givet KINGS'COURTS NEED WARY WALKING The beginning of verse 5 says that the person who keeps the kings command will experience nothing harmful. This does not mean nothing bad will ever happen to the person. So you know, live it up now. fearing God, enjoyment through God commended. That Jesus isn't coming again. The Targum interprets it of the joy of the law; because a man hath no better thing under the sun than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry; of earthly things there is nothing better than for a man freely and cheerfully, with moderation and thankfulness, to enjoy what God has given him; this is what had been observed before, Ecclesiastes 2:24; and is not the language of an epicure, or a carnal man, who observing that no difference is made between the righteous and the wicked, that it is as well or better with the wicked than the righteous, determines to give up himself to sensual lusts and pleasures; but it is the good and wholesome advice of the wise man, for men to be easy under every providence, satisfied with their present condition and circumstances, and be cheerful and pleasant, and not distress themselves about things they cannot alter; for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life. which God giveth him under the sun; It may seem unfair because the evil are prospered and the righteous are persecuted. Eat, drink, and be joyful, for tomorrow we die! And thus, they give their hearts over to evil because they think that God is too remote to care. heads and be cheerful, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God in Solomon commended joy, and holy security of mind, arising from confidence in God, because a man has no better thing under the sun, though a good man has much better things above the sun, than soberly and thankfully to use the things of this life according to his rank. these men against divine Providence, and the inferences they dra Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, alter; for that shall abide with him of his labour the days Beyond Today Bible Commentary: Ecclesiastes. Verse 14 repeats the dilemma of Ecclesiastes 7:15 Ecclesiastes 7:15All things have I seen in the days of my vanity: there is a just man that perishes in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man that prolongs his life in his wickedness.American King James Versionthe righteous suffering what wickedness is supposed to result in and the wicked receiving what righteousness is supposed to result in. A Practical Verse-by-Verse Study of ECCLESIASTES - It is Don's interpretation that the book of Ecclesiastes describes Solomon's futile way of living as he heads down that slippery spiral of wine, women and song. No man has any power over the spirit. of earthly things there is nothing better than for a man freely But he does not dwell on that. man, for men to be easy under every providence, satisfied with CHARACTERS: God, Solomon. The point seems to be that if the king puts you to death for rebellion or crime, life is over. Sinners herein deceive themselves. ECCLESIASTES 8:14, it is best to give a man's self up to eating and He, for his part, had applied his heart to know this wisdom, and to see the business that is done, by the divine Providence, upon the earth, to find out if there were any certain scheme, any constant rule or method, by which the affairs of this lower world were administered, any course of government as sure and steady as the course of nature, so that by what is done now we might as certainly foretel what will be done next as by the moon's changing now we can foretel when it will be at the full; this he would fain have found out. A man cannot find out the work of God though you search it out. interpretation of a thing?_ In the Vulgate these two questions end the United Church of Godis a501(c)3organization. There is no man that has power over his spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it ( Ecclesiastes 8:8 ). Yet that is only for now. The change of face here also reflects a new face on the problems previously discussed. Partner with StudyLight.org as God uses us to make a difference for those displaced by Russia's war on Ukraine. man's wisdom makes his face to shine, and the boldness of his face The Preacher is careful to set forth pleasure as a gift from God, to be earned by labor, and received with thankfulness to the Giver, and to be accounted for to Him. That's a fatal mistake to make. That it was all labour in vain, Ecclesiastes 8:17; Ecclesiastes 8:17. life was a low one. in actual life. They know they have no control over life or death. Ecclesiastes 8:15 in all English translations. physical senses, but also frequently to religious joy. There is no man that has power over his spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it ( Ecclesiastes 8:8 ). And the same is true of God. And thus, it appears that the evil man is getting away with his evil actions, his evil deeds. So I know that in the long run that life is the best. So, because God has waited so long, because God hasn't speedily executed His sentence against the evil, people begin to assume that God has just withdrawn Himself. Verse 15. Though he be very confident of success, though he think to know it, yet he shall not; he cannot find it out. Viewed by itself, and apart from its conte ECCLESIASTESNOTE ON ECCLESIASTES 8:14 It is a puzzling VANITY that Where the word of the king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What are you doing? Copyright 2023, Bible Study Tools. MAN UNDER THE Thinks that he has been clever and has hid his sin from God, or worse yet, thinks that God is condoning what he has done. If one does not know what will happen, how can he learn when it will happen? And people begin to misinterpret God's grace and God's long suffering as God's approbation for their actions and for their lives. 2: vanitas vanitatum dixit Ecclesiastes vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas. 1-17. The III. (Needing to give such instruction without any self-serving appearance could be part of why Solomon referred to himself as the Preacher throughout the book rather than as king.). Now because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil ( Ecclesiastes 8:11 ). [29] For our God is a consuming fire. We come now to the last part of the books third major section, which began in chapter 6, dealing with explaining and applying the plan of God in light of it seeming to be unfair. He would have us not to fret and perplex ourselves about it, or make ourselves uneasy, but cheerfully to enjoy what God has given us in the world, to be content with it and make the best of it, though it be much better with others, and such as we think very unworthy (Ecclesiastes 8:15; Ecclesiastes 8:15): Then I commended joy, a holy security and serenity of mind, arising from a confidence in God, and his power, providence, and promise, because a man has no better thing under the sun (though a good man has much better things above the sun) than to eat and drink, that is, soberly and thankfully to make use of the things of this life according as his rank is, and to be cheerful, whatever happens, for that shall abide with him of his labour. THERE IS A VANITY WHICH IS DONE UPON THE EARTH.] Honor the king.American King James Version). 15 Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun. He is instead, in great mercy, giving everyone more time to repentand He is letting us see how far we will drift without His intervention. To go from someones presence elsewhere signifies disaffection or disloyalty . [6] For whom the Lord loves he chastens, and whips every son whom he receives. One of the common mistakes that people make is that of misinterpreting the nature of God. 5:18; Ecclesiastes 9:7 To be merry This he speaks of sensual delights. Ecclesiastes 8:15 - Adam Clarke Bible Commentary, Ecclesiastes 8:15 - Albert Barnes' Bible Commentary, Ecclesiastes 8:15 - Annotated Bible by A.C. 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